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         1    have -- I want a punitive instruction, so we might need to

         2    put two blanks, a blank for punitive.

         3             THE COURT:  What gives you the basis for me to even

         4    give a punitive instruction?

         5             MR. STILLEY:  Intentional tort.

         6             MR. OLIVER:  There's no evidence of any intent.

         7             THE COURT:  No, I will -- I'm ruling now that the

         8    Court will not give a punitive damage instruction.  So that's

         9    that.

        10             Instruction No. 7 is 3.06 of the Eighth Circuit

        11    Model Jury Instructions.  It directs them how to conduct

        12    their deliberations.

        13             Now, I'll tell you what.  Are we straight with all

        14    the instructions so far?  Are there any others?

        15             MR. OLIVER:  If you tell me how you want the form of

        16    verdict, I'll bring you one typed in the morning.

        17             THE COURT:  I don't know how I want it.  We're going

        18    to discuss that now and figure it out.  Maybe you all can

        19    draw something up and we can agree on it.  But what I'm going

        20    to do, I'm going to give you this clean copy and maybe you

        21    can just have them run off tomorrow without the caption up

        22    here.

        23             MR. OLIVER:  Yes, sir.

        24             THE COURT:  Where it says the numbers and so forth.

        25             MR. OLIVER:  Yes, sir, I'll take that out.

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         1             THE COURT:  So I'm going to give those to you and

         2    I'll keep the other copies.  And you can just bring us all.

         3    Because I don't want the jury to have any citations about

         4    them about the title at all.

         5             What about the form of verdict?

         6             MR. OLIVER:  Your Honor, I'd be glad to type a

         7    simple one right out of MAI, if you find the issues in favor

         8    of -- we the undersigned jurors find the issues in favor of,

         9    blank, insert the name.  Then, you know, the next paragraph,

        10    if you find in favor of the plaintiff, then insert the amount

        11    with eight signature blanks -- one signature blank.

        12             THE COURT:  One signature blank, the foreperson, and

        13    date.  Do you have any disagreement with that, Mr. Stilley?

        14             MR. STILLEY:  Sounds good to me, Judge.

        15             THE COURT:  Let's do that.  I'll see you all at nine

        16    in the morning.

        17             Now, how much time do you wish to argue your case,

        18    Mr. Stilley?

        19             MR. STILLEY:  Twenty minutes would be plenty.

        20             THE COURT:  Twenty minutes would be more than

        21    plenty.  How about 15 minutes?  You just got this -- and

        22    that's five minutes too much.  All you got now is a battery

        23    claim.

        24             MR. STILLEY:  I understand, Judge.  And 15 minutes,

        25    I agree with you.

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         1             THE COURT:  All we got is a battery claim.  You

         2    think about what the testimony was relative to that, and 15

         3    minutes is five too much.

         4             MR. STILLEY:  I agree with you, Judge, I think

         5    you're right in your analysis.

         6             THE COURT:  Now, how do you want to divide that?

         7    What do you want to reserve?

         8             MR. STILLEY:  Five.

         9             THE COURT:  Ten and five.  What kind of warnings do

        10    you want on each?

        11             MR. STILLEY:  Do you have a light that can come on?

        12    Are you talking about -- oh, you're talking about warning?

        13             THE COURT:  You know, it's either like the gong

        14    show, they put a hook out, drag you off the stage or they

        15    gong you.

        16             MR. STILLEY:  I'd rather not get dragged off the

        17    stage.

        18             THE COURT:  What do you want, two minutes on the

        19    first one and a minute on the second?

        20             MR. STILLEY:  A minute is just right.

        21             THE COURT:  A minute on both, on the first ten or

        22    two minutes on the first ten?

        23             MR. STILLEY:  Two minutes on the first ten, one

        24    minute on the second.

        25             THE COURT:  Okay.  What kind of warning you want,

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         1    Mr. Oliver?

         2             MR. OLIVER:  Two minutes will be fine, Judge.

         3             THE COURT:  As Tupac Shakur said, Mr. Stilley, but I

         4    ain't mad at you.

         5             MR. STILLEY:  Thank you, Judge.

         6             THE COURT:  I don't take this personal.

         7             MR. STILLEY:  I appreciate that, Judge.  And I feel

         8    the same way about it.  And it's been a great pleasure

         9    practicing in your court.  Thank you very much.

        10             THE COURT:  It's good to be fervent.  And some folks

        11    would clearly dislike the methods and manners with which they

        12    undertake what they do.  And I don't know that this is

        13    necessarily a proper forum unless you got the parents

        14    cosigning on with saying that something different happened

        15    than they proposed.

        16             Now, maybe the proper forum are the state licensing

        17    authorities or something, but, you know, the fervency has a

        18    problem here where we have these rules and you have to

        19    conduct yourself within the rules.  So in terms of presenting

        20    your client's case and how fervently you feel, you keep

        21    stepping over the line, and that's where the problem is.  And

        22    as I told you, don't think that I'm going to keep calling you

        23    up here to the bench and tell you about it.  I'm going to

        24    bust you up in front of this jury so that they will know.

        25    Because when you continue to do it, it does no good to have

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         1    you up here.  The jury has to know that you continually do

         2    something.  So that's what I'm telling you, it's not going to

         3    do any good with me.

         4             Because it's like a friend of mine, he was swinging

         5    his golf club in the house in the winter.  And he swung down

         6    in his shag carpet and he took a divot out.  And his son was

         7    eight or nine years old.  And he looked at him and said, "I'm

         8    going to tell mama."  Because he was trying to stomp it back

         9    in.  So, see, I will tell.

        10             MR. STILLEY:  I will try real hard to not take a

        11    divot out tomorrow.

        12             THE COURT:  I know it's hard.  But this thing, this

        13    case, when you don't have parents or whatever cosigning on

        14    this deal saying that this isn't what they signed up for, you

        15    got a problem with this case.  And sometimes if you want

        16    results, you want -- you got to figure out how you can get

        17    it.  And it didn't seem to me that this was the proper forum

        18    for that.  So whatever.  I understand your fervency.

        19             MR. STILLEY:  Thank you, Judge.  I appreciate it.

        20             THE COURT:  I'll see you all tomorrow morning.

        21             MR. OLIVER:  Nine o'clock.

        22             (Court in recess at 5:47 p.m.)

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         1                        C E R T I F I C A T E

         2              I, Susan R. Moran, Registered Merit Reporter, in

         3    and for the United States District Court for the Eastern

         4    District of Missouri, do hereby certify that I was present

         5    at and reported in machine shorthand the proceedings in the

         6    above-mentioned court; and that the foregoing transcript is

         7    a true, correct, and complete transcript of my stenographic

         8    notes.

         9              I further certify that I am not attorney for, nor

        10    employed by, nor related to any of the parties or attorneys

        11    in this action, nor financially interested in the action.

        12              I further certify that this transcript contains

        13    pages 1 - 227 and that this reporter takes no responsibility

        14    for missing or damaged pages of this transcript when same

        15    transcript is copied by any party other than this reporter.

        16              IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand

        17    at St. Louis, Missouri, this _________ day of

        18    __________________, 2004.

        19

        20                              ______________________________

                                        /s/ Susan R. Moran

        21                              Registered Merit Reporter