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         1                              I N D E X

         2                              Direct   Cross   Redirect   Recross

         3    PLAINTIFF'S WITNESSES

         4    JORDAN BLAIR

                   (By Mr. Stilley)        3 (Cont'd)

         5         (By Mr. Briggs)                 32

                   (By Mr. Stilley)                          54

         6

              RAY PALMER

         7         (By Mr. Stilley)      188

                   (By Mr. Oliver)                201

         8

         9    DEFENDANTS' WITNESSES

        10    BO GERHARDT

                   (By Mr. Briggs)        78

        11         (By Mr. Stilley)                96

        12    ROBERT O'BRIENT

                   (By Mr. Oliver)       126

        13         (By Mr. Stilley)               139

                   (By Mr. Oliver)                          149

        14         (By Mr. Stilley)                                   150

        15    SAM GERHARDT

                   (By Mr. Briggs)       154

        16         (By Mr. Stilley)               170

        17    DREW PARRISH

                   (By Mr. Briggs)       207

        18         (By Mr. Stilley)               211

        19

              INSTRUCTION CONFERENCE              219

        20

        21                           E X H I B I T S

        22                               Offered      Received

        23    DEFENDANTS' EXHIBITS

        24         C, D                     149          149

        25         A                        207          207

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         1             (The following proceedings were held outside the

         2    hearing of the jury on April 13, 2004 at 9:12 a.m.:)

         3             THE COURT:  Good morning.  Anything before we bring

         4    the jury out?

         5             MR. OLIVER:  Yes, sir, if I could.  We agreed by

         6    redaction to change parts of Defendants' Exhibit A.  And I

         7    made an extra copy of the first three pages for the Court.

         8    I've given Mr. Stilley his copy.  It's my understanding he

         9    approves the redactions.

        10             MR. STILLEY:  That is correct, Your Honor, we're

        11    satisfied with that.

        12             THE COURT:  Okay, thank you.  Let's bring the jury

        13    on.  Mr. Blair, you want to resume the stand.

        14             THE WITNESS:  Yes, sir.

        15             (The following proceedings continued within the

        16    hearing of the jury:)

        17             THE COURT:  Good morning, ladies and gentlemen of

        18    the jury.  Shall we resume, Mr. Stilley.

        19             MR. STILLEY:  Thank you, Judge.

        20                     DIRECT EXAMINATION (Cont'd)

        21    BY MR. STILLEY:

        22    Q.    Mr. Blair, can you tell us when your 17th birthday was?

        23    A.    November 17th, 2001.

        24    Q.    And you told us about the battery yesterday.  Who were

        25    the witnesses to that battery?

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         1    A.    Matt Elmore, Jason Lowe, and Andrew Parrish.

         2    Q.    Okay.

         3    A.    And Bill Cavitt.

         4    Q.    Are any of those individuals -- any of those

         5    individuals defendants in this lawsuit?

         6    A.    Yes, sir.

         7    Q.    And who would that be?

         8    A.    Bill Cavitt and Andrew Parrish.

         9             MR. BRIGGS:  Objection, Your Honor.  Mr. Cavitt is

        10    not a party to this lawsuit.

        11             MR. STILLEY:  That is correct, Your Honor.  I'm

        12    sorry.  I think he's probably just forgotten that.

        13    BY MR. STILLEY:

        14    Q.    Do you see Andrew Parrish in this courtroom today?

        15    A.    No, sir.

        16    Q.    Now, I asked you yesterday about what sports that you

        17    were involved in before you went to Mountain Park.  Did you

        18    forget one of those?

        19    A.    Yes, sir, Tai Quon Do.

        20    Q.    And where is it you do the Tai Quon Do?

        21    A.    At church.

        22    Q.    And who did you do it with?

        23    A.    The other church members.

        24    Q.    When you were at Mountain Park, what punishments were

        25    you told about for misbehavior?

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         1             MR. BRIGGS:  Objection, Your Honor, this stuff is

         2    irrelevant unless he was told by a staff member.  I think

         3    that it's also vague.  Mr. Stilley would have to narrow his

         4    question.

         5             MR. STILLEY:  Judge, let me withdraw that question.

         6    I'm not trying to go I think where they think.  I'm trying to

         7    go -- I think I can make it easier.  Just withdraw that

         8    question and ask another one.

         9    BY MR. STILLEY:

        10    Q.    Mr. Blair, were you punished with disciplinary

        11    punishments such as swats or having to write lines while you

        12    were at Mountain Park?

        13             MR. BRIGGS:  Objection, Your Honor, relevance.  It

        14    doesn't relate to the battery claim or the Fair Labor

        15    Standards Act.

        16             MR. STILLEY:  I'm just trying to demonstrate that he

        17    was not -- he didn't create problems while he was there.

        18             MR. BRIGGS:  Your Honor, I'm still not sure if

        19    that's relevant.

        20             THE COURT:  You need to try your question again.

        21             MR. STILLEY:  Okay.  I'll just go to another line of

        22    questions.  Thank you.

        23    BY MR. STILLEY:

        24    Q.    While you were at Mountain Park, were you provided any

        25    age appropriate classes?

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         1    A.    No, sir.

         2    Q.    Did you get credit for any course work that you did?

         3    A.    No, sir.

         4    Q.    Did you actually learn anything in classes?

         5    A.    No, sir.

         6    Q.    Did you ever see a written schedule for the students?

         7    A.    No, sir.

         8    Q.    What was the actual schedule of your activities?  Can

         9    you just explain to the jury what you would do on a typical

        10    weekday?

        11    A.    It pretty much varied from day to day.  The schedule

        12    that Mr. Oliver presented earlier in his opening statement.

        13             MR. OLIVER:  Your Honor, I'd object to the witness

        14    commenting on the opening statement.  I mean, we're already

        15    three violations of your court order.

        16             THE COURT:  All right, fine.  Why don't you just

        17    answer the question as opposed to referring to Mr. Oliver.

        18             THE WITNESS:  Yes, sir.

        19    A.    Mr. Stilley, could I see a copy of the defendants'

        20    exhibits, please.

        21    Q.    Actually we're not trying to get you to comment on

        22    anything else, we just want to know what you did based on

        23    your personal recollection of what you actually did.

        24    A.    Yes, sir.  I would wake up around 5:30 in the morning,

        25    be woken up around 5:30 in the morning.  Would then have to

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         1    have a prayer session.  And then I would have to do chores

         2    which lasted about 45 minutes to an hour.  I then have to --

         3    we'd go have breakfast.  Then I'd come back and we'd have

         4    more indoctrination meetings.  And then I would go to school

         5    doing fifth grade work even after I graduated.  I would have

         6    to --

         7             MR. BRIGGS:  Objection, Your Honor, it's outside the

         8    scope.  It's irrelevant.

         9             THE COURT:  Fine.  Overruled.  Go ahead.

        10    A.    Then -- and that would last from about nine o'clock

        11    till noon.  And after lunch, which would be around there, we

        12    would -- sometimes we would go to an afternoon class or

        13    something like that or on some days we wouldn't even go to

        14    school.  I mean, we would just go and this would be through

        15    the week on a school day, and we would be taken to Brother

        16    Wills' house where we would wax his boat, do lawn

        17    maintenance, wash their cars, wax their cars.

        18             On -- I've done anything from changing the oil in

        19    their cars, rotate tires.  I performed maintenance on

        20    backhoes.  I've installed water pipe, repaired water piping.

        21    Installed toiletry -- toilets.  And this would take place on

        22    throughout the day.

        23             Now, the only thing that was pretty much on a steady

        24    pace would have been the indoctrination meetings which went,

        25    which, you know, I willingly went to and voluntarily which

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         1    took place on a Wednesday night, on Sunday mornings, and then

         2    at least for an hour on every week night.  So that's

         3    basically how the week went.

         4    Q.    Now, you told us about some chores, correct?

         5    A.    Yes, sir.

         6    Q.    Tell us what you mean when you say chores.

         7    A.    Well, with the chores I look at something of a personal

         8    responsibility.  I mean, I understand -- my understanding is

         9    that you would have to make your bed, clean up around the

        10    dorm, the dorm area that you lived in.  Clean the bathrooms,

        11    that sort of thing.  And that's my understanding of chores.

        12    Q.    Okay.  Are you asking this jury to assess monetary

        13    damages for you having to do chores?

        14    A.    No, not at all.

        15    Q.    Now, you tell us a little bit about the schedule.  But

        16    what did you do at the end of the day?  The evening, what was

        17    your typical schedule in the evening?

        18    A.    What exact time?

        19    Q.    Well, after say five o'clock.

        20    A.    After five o'clock.  Five o'clock we'd usually shower

        21    and then have dinner.  Then I would -- we would -- I would be

        22    forced to attend the indoctrination meetings.

        23    Q.    And how long did those meetings last?

        24    A.    From -- anywhere from an hour and a half to two hours.

        25    Q.    Per day?

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         1    A.    Yes, sir.

         2    Q.    Was that every weekday?

         3    A.    Yes, sir.

         4    Q.    How -- what was the difference between weekdays and

         5    Saturdays and Sundays?

         6    A.    On Saturdays we would get up at 6:30 a.m.  Then there

         7    would be no school.  We would work all day doing various

         8    tasks that I've just told the jury about.  And we would have

         9    lunch and then we'd work some more until five o'clock, which

        10    we would shower then for dinner.

        11    Q.    Okay.  What did you do after dinner?

        12    A.    We would have -- well, on Saturday we'd have the same

        13    meetings.  Then on Sunday we would have -- we wouldn't work

        14    in the morning, we'd have -- I'd be forced to go to

        15    indoctrination meetings, have lunch, and then we would just

        16    have a little -- I would be -- I'd have another

        17    indoctrination meeting with an orientation guide, that sort

        18    of thing.  And then we'd have dinner and that would be the

        19    day.

        20    Q.    What was the latest that you ever had to do work?

        21    A.    On the tasks that I had previously mentioned, till

        22    about five o'clock.  Now, as far as being a security guard,

        23    that was 24/7.

        24    Q.    Okay.  What about -- were you ever required to have

        25    somebody move?

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         1    A.    Oh, yes, sir.  Yes, sir.  Sorry about that.  When Aaron

         2    Smith was moving out from Palm Lane we were required to stay

         3    up late moving all of his belongings out into a moving van.

         4    And that lasted about a week.  We moved O'Brient back in and

         5    we were forced to stay and move all the things in for them.

         6    Q.    And how late did you work on that?

         7    A.    Till about midnight or one.

         8    Q.    What time did you have to get up the next morning?

         9    A.    At 5:30.

        10    Q.    Did you volunteer for that duty?

        11    A.    No, sir, nobody did.

        12    Q.    Did you complain about that duty?

        13    A.    No, sir.

        14    Q.    Why not?

        15    A.    I wasn't allowed to.

        16    Q.    Okay.  You told us about some of the jobs that you did.

        17    Did you ever see -- while you were at Palm Lane did you ever

        18    see any cattle?

        19    A.    Yes, sir.

        20    Q.    Did you have any jobs with respect to the cattle?

        21    A.    Yes, sir, for the longest time at Palm Lane we repaired

        22    all the cattle's fences and stuff like that.  We were -- it

        23    was kind of a metal fencing all the way around on some areas

        24    where the cattle stayed, and we had to sand all the fences

        25    out, prime it and then paint it.  And this lasted basically

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         1    pretty much my whole stay at Palm Lane, which was a total of

         2    four months.  Then also occasionally the cattle would get out

         3    from a hole in the barbed wire fence and we'd have to go

         4    chase them out, repair the barbed wire, heard the cattle back

         5    in.

         6             We'd also had to use weed hooks to chop down.  I

         7    know Ms. Wills earlier stated in her testimony that --

         8             MR. BRIGGS:  Objection, Your Honor, move to strike.

         9             MR. STILLEY:  There's no necessity for that.

        10             THE COURT:  Fine.  The Court will strike that.

        11             MR. BRIGGS:  Instruct the jury to disregard, Your

        12    Honor.

        13             THE COURT:  The jury will disregard.

        14             MR. STILLEY:  Thank you, Judge.

        15    BY MR. STILLEY:

        16    Q.    Okay.  Just go ahead and testify your personal

        17    knowledge what was actually done.

        18    A.    We had to cut weeds down along the fences for the

        19    cattle.  We'd spend a whole day.  That would have been like a

        20    Saturday job where we'd spend a whole day working on that.  I

        21    would wear gloves and still have blisters on my hands from

        22    doing that all day in the hot sun.

        23    Q.    Did you have any pasture maintenance duties besides

        24    using the weed hook?

        25    A.    Not any more than I've already mentioned.

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         1    Q.    Did you have any job duties relating to watering the

         2    cattle or providing for a source of water for the cattle?

         3    A.    Oh, yes, sir.  We were being forced to dig a pond for

         4    the cattle by shovel.  And that was a whole week job.  I had

         5    left pretty much after we started that.

         6    Q.    Okay.  So you left while the pond digging project was

         7    underway?

         8    A.    Yes, sir.

         9    Q.    And did you have wheelbarrows that you used?  How did

        10    you get the dirt out of the pond?

        11    A.    We just had to shovel it off the side at a time.

        12    Q.    Was it just shovels you used to dig this pond?

        13    A.    Yes, sir.  Well, the staff member Robert Kennedy was

        14    using a small bulldozer, just a smaller size one.

        15    Q.    Okay.  So then were you just doing the dressing around

        16    the edges then with the shovels?

        17    A.    Yes, sir.  We also after he had -- after Robert Kennedy

        18    had dug out somewhat, about eight feet deep, we were down

        19    there having to clean that out.

        20    Q.    Did you dig in the bottom of the pond?

        21    A.    Yes, sir.

        22    Q.    How many students were involved in this project?

        23    A.    It was all the boy students at Palm Lane.  I would say

        24    between 11 and 15 students.

        25    Q.    Did you work -- when this project was underway, did you